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Group wants Pima County to divorce Arizona

Pima County politicians have joked about the idea of political separation from more-conservative Maricopa County for decades. But the Legislature's recent moves on topics including immigration caused some to stop laughing and form a committee advocating that the county separate from Arizona. (with video)... Read more»

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Mar 1, 2011, 11:29 am
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The south once tried this and they lost. BIG TIME!
If you don’t like U.S. immigration laws that protect U.S. citizen time to leave the United States!

And don’t let the door hit your behind when you leave!

Mar 1, 2011, 12:42 pm
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Why become a 51st state? Why not just become another state of Mexico?  We don’t want you, and we certainly don’t need you, so go.

Mar 1, 2011, 6:50 pm
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Oh man . . . if only people actually read things.

The South did NOT try this. We’re trying to secede from the State, not the Union. The South seceded from the Union.

Ironically, the main part of Arizona is actively attempting to disregard the US Constitution, effectively separating *them* from the United States.

The complete inability to think logically, as evidenced by the above comments, is exactly what we’re attempting to separate ourselves from.

Mar 1, 2011, 7:03 pm
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@TJYou don’t need to insult me, just go. As to whether or not anyone is trying to disregard the US Constitution, how bout we let the courts decide that. You socialists always think you have the monopoly on logic and common sense then you run around spouting Karl Marx as if he were one of the founding fathers or something akin. You wont be happy as a US state so just secede and become part of Mexico.  As I said before, we don’t need you.  Your are a large part of the economy that bleeds us dry and losing you would be a benefit to all America.

Mar 1, 2011, 7:07 pm
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TJ apparently you haven’t read the Constitution.
Arizona is only protecting it’s right from Invasion.
That is in the Constitution:

Clause 2: Protection from invasion and domestic violence
“  [...] and [The United States] shall protect each of them [the States] against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.  ”
Section Four requires the United States to protect each state from invasion, and, upon the application of the state legislature (or executive, if the legislature cannot be convened), from domestic violence. This provision was discussed during the 1967 Detroit riot, but was not invoked.

Mar 1, 2011, 7:12 pm
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@PortTabaccoYou quote the constitution well, but I think you need to go read the entire version and all the many court decisions since it was written, and consider that the US constitution can be modified by law.  If not, show me where the constitution says that the federal government has the right to force obamacare down our throats?

Mar 2, 2011, 2:00 am
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The complete inability to think logically, as evidenced by the above comments, is exactly what we’re attempting to separate ourselves from.

Well stated, TJ,

It appears our aggressively ignorant brethren do not understand that you are not advocating anything illegal, unconstitutional…OR patriotic. I find the START OUR STATE endeavor to be a refreshing breath of fresh air into what has otherwise become Arizona’s putrid political atmosphere. 

Hope you all will erect a web site soon where contributions can be sent.  I will pledge $100 right now if S.O.S. will favorably consider pursuing The Great State of Sane Arizona.  Not joking…the name would clearly reflect both our intention and identity. Baja Arizona sounds cool, but I fear it would elicit even greater antagonism from those opposed to the creation of a gloroious 51st state.

Mar 2, 2011, 2:09 am
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Correction there, make that “not advocating anything illegal, unconstitutional…OR UNpatriotic.”

To the contrary, If such a new state were created, I’d surely stand and little taller, a little prouder during the national anthem while looking up at that 51st star on the flag.

Mar 2, 2011, 6:48 am
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@STATE of SANE AZ51st star? That alone dooms your project to the ridicules list, but please spend all your money in the attempt. Less money for the communist/socialist/marxist/democrat party the better for this nation you people obviously do not love.

Mar 2, 2011, 7:44 am
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Breaking up some states like Arizona is probably a good idea.  There will be more competition in the “marketplace of ideas”.

California has the same problem except in reverse.  Conservative areas like the central valley and San Diego area are disenfranchised by the control of state government by the San Francisco/LA left wing progressives.

Mar 2, 2011, 7:51 am
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And by the way.  Clearly Pima county is not getting its views represented in Arizona as a whole.  Not that they have a political right to, so long as they are part of the same state.

But clearly the politics at the state level are way different than the views of the residents of Pima County.  After all, they elected a deranged radical leftist as Sheriff.  What county elects a deranged radical leftist to head a law enforcement agency?  My answer would be, one that is clearly pretty darn left wing in political orientation.

I lived in the LA area for 22 years and I was frustsrated by the fact that the left wing state and local government was totally out of step with my views and those of millions of my fellow citizens.  So I can empathize with the people of Pima County as far as feeling disenfranchised.

Mar 2, 2011, 9:47 am
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Sigh. Do me a favor, guys, and google search SB1433—the bill that would form a “nullification committee.” Even our legislators are openly attempting to veto Federal law (because, apparently, no one paid attention in high school US government classes).

They’re also trying to ignore the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution—you know, the one that grants citizenship to people born on US soil—so this idea that they’re the ones protecting the Constitution from all the big bad scary socialists (another term I’d suggest googling) is laughable.

Keep on hating us, though, and wanting us to leave. That’s perfectly fine, since it’ll make forming our own state infinitely easier.

Mar 2, 2011, 12:45 pm
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Obamacare is not an invasion by a foreign government.rrjen!
You are comparing apples to oranges because the truth
show you what idiots you are!

Mar 2, 2011, 12:55 pm
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What this pro-Mexican group is hoping for is to create a new state so that they can do whatever they wish.
Most people in Arizona wanted all illegal aliens out of their state! The crime, the drugs, and the mayhem is
not anything American citizens want.
You are grasping at straws! And you will lose.
Arizona has been a state for decades and now a few looney tunes are angry because their Tia’s and Tio’s
from Mexico can’t live there anymore.
If you want to start a new state please go back to Mexico and start one there. But of course you looney tunes don’t have the guts to do that.
Instead you wish to destroy a wonderful nation that
now doesn’t even recognize it’s country anymore.
I wish I could turn the clock back to 1950 when you creeps from south of the border did not exist here in Arizona or anywhere except in small area’s that were trashy due to their own making.

Mar 2, 2011, 2:38 pm
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@PortTabaccoYou’re right about this being a pro mex group that wants to defect.  We could get rid of maybe half the illegals just by letting them go.  Just imagine the money we could save.

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