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Guest opinion: This week we heard two well-reasoned calls for reforming the nation's badly broken immigration system. Though the calls came from very different places, they propose similar reforms that I have long supported and deserve the immediate attention of Congress.... Read more»

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Jul 3, 2010, 5:17 am
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Opponents of immigration reform complain that proposals of this kind amount to amnesty.  That’s simply not true. Illegal immigrants would need complete several steps, including a criminal background check and paying a fine, before they could get in line for citizenship.
1.  When they crossed the line, they committed a crime for which they will not pay, and that is not acceptable.
2.  If they have lived in this country for any time at all.. they had to… HAD TO have an identification to rent an apartment.  That is the second felony offense.
3.  In order to have the identification, they had to… HAD TO have a social security number that worked, and the only way to get that is to use one that DOES exist… and that is the third felony in a row.

If American Citizens did something like that, they would probably be in jail, and rightfully so.  In addition, it is the tradition in this country that the criminal does not.. does NOT profit by their act of crime.  Specifically, until the felony conduct is paid for, they are profiting from that crime.  And demanding they pay a fine to mitigate the last two offenses is totally unacceptable. A BIG fine you say?  That is totally unacceptable.  We want one standard in this country be you an illegal aliens or an American Citizen, and that is worth fighting hard for too.  Drop it.. we become another Mexico.

Jul 3, 2010, 8:47 am
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This proposal is just another amnesty program crafted by the moneyed elite to serve their interests, at the expense of the American people.

It would provide immunity from prosecution for crimes like id theft, document fraud, illegal entry, and tax evasion.

It would give lawbreakers preferential immigration treatment over those who play by the rules.

Some dinky little fine is an insult to Americans. These people have ripped the American taxpayer off for billions upon billions in subsidized education, medicine and other social benefits.

Why would we allow these lawbreakers to avoid all the requirements that people legally must follow; background checks, medical checks, tests, financial guarantees, and waiting their turn?

Besides, we know within a couple of months of any amnesty passage, any new immigration law will no longer be enforced so the cheap illegal labor will continue to flow in.

We were promised border enforcement and employer enforcement in 1986 and that there would never, ever again be another amnesty.

No one in America is above the law. No one. No matter how much the moneyed elite want their cheap illegal labor to keep flowing and want a North American Union without the consent of the governed.

Jul 3, 2010, 9:04 am
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The issue for me is the ease in which an illegal alien will be given the ultimate prize of being given a path to citizenship which being here illegally.

I am a naturalized American citizen and it took me some 10 years to decide to change my allegiance from my country of birth to this country.  I needed to affirm in my heart and soul that from the moment I took the oath of citizenship, I will call myself an American.

This path to citizenship is an affront to me and the millions of people who came here legally since its intent is to pacify a specific group of people.

Listen to their reasons for wanting to be legalize.  They just want to work.  EVERYONE wants to work and earn a good living.  Is this the only criteria to become legal?  If so, then the entire world will want to come over.  Is that what we really want?

Is ‘being here already’ enough reason?  That does not have any legal basis.  If a person is squatting in a house because he has no home, is that enough reason to allow him to stay in the home?

How about children of illegal aliens who were not born here? It is no fault of their own, I agree, but is it our fault?  Is this enough reason?  Whose fault is it then?  Once we identify whose at fault, will they get punished to the full extent of the law?

When people say that the system is broken, as far as I can see, the enforcement portion was not effectively implemented.  Then that is what gets fixed.  Americans don’t have the confidence that the enforcement will be given the same focus, commitment and resources as the amnesty portion of the immigration reform.  Twenty years of evidence proves that. 

How can we buckle this way?

Jul 3, 2010, 9:04 am
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Anyway you look at it it is amnesty. The bottom line is they get to stay so it cannot be looked at any other way. Godderd needs to quit or be removed. People are sick of the presence of these illegal aliens and a swipe with a pen making them legal will not change a thing except bring more anger against these law breakers. No AMNESTY of any kind never

Jul 3, 2010, 12:54 pm
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“No matter how much the moneyed elite want their cheap illegal labor…”

A lot of gall to use the term “moneyed elite” in this case.

Remember the hurried press conference by AZ Attorney General Terry Goddard in April of last year? That’s the one where he paraded out all of his assistants and formally declared that after counting the 2006 RTA Ballots, they had found no evidence of foul play for rigging the elections? A few puny voices on the side of the room opposite the mainstream media asked questions. The first, did you count or examine the POLL TAPES in any way? The answer was no. Second, did you do a precinct by precinct audit against the statements of votes cast? No. We would have had to account for one or two adjustments and we don’t know how to do that. Third, did you perform any forensic checks to verify the authenticity of the ballots? The answer? Don’t be silly.

The poll tapes garnered interest right away from Terry Goddard, because Terry wasn’t going to examine anything until he was informed of the Democratic Party’s plans to look at the poll tapes. Then, like a hawk flying out of the sky after a field mouse, Goddard snatched the ballots from Pima County’s Iron Mountain storage facility. How was the Democratic party informed? Through secondhand chatter from the Democratic Party’s opposing legal team while the ballots were being transferred up to some unknown location in Maricopa County. The recount behind glass would take place one month later.

During this process, the Democratic Party had requested repeatedly that Terry Goddard examine the poll tapes, because they provide a valuable “precinct snapshot”- a perfect auditing function. In addition, they can easily be identified if they are fake or regenerated. During this exchange, a tentative agreement was reached by Assistant Attorney General Robert Conrad and the Democratic Party. Conrad assured the Democrats that they would examine the poll tapes and the Attorney General’s press spokesperson confirmed that poll tapes would be examined.

Only at that brisk press conference last year did the public discover that the Attorney General refused to examine the poll tapes. The reason? Well, Attorney General Terry Goddard was reduced to feigning ignorance about the importance of examining the poll tapes at that very same press conference, so we weren’t given a reason unless you want to believe Goddard’s act about being ignorant.

So Terry Goddard finished his debut with the RTA ballots and passed them back to the Iron Mountain Storage facility in the custody of Treasurer Beth Ford. The poll tapes are included in the ballot boxes.

This stuck the Democratic party with another year of litigation involving ridiculous legal arguments from Pima County and the Treasurers office over costs, process, and, get this, the idea that the poll tapes are “ballots”.  Despite the best efforts of Terry Goddard, Pima County and the legal teams intertwined with growth lobby interests, the Democratic party has inspected the polltapes and examined them.

Now we know why Terry Goddard refused to look at the poll tapes.  Out of 368 precincts, there are 112 polltapes missing!  102 of the yellowsheets are missing.  The corresponding paper work serving a vital auditing function at the precinct level is missing. 

A significant portion of missing poll tapes had corresponding anomalies in the electronic data records.  It’s naive to think that electronic records would be manipulated without some measure to cover tracks by either creating a new paper trail or removing the one that exists.

It took us a whole additional year to discover this thanks to Goddard’s “dog and pony” show.  I wouldn’t trust any portrayal of Goddard combating the moneyed interests.  In fact, I wouldn’t trust him at all.

Jul 3, 2010, 5:51 pm
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Of course it’s AMNESTY, no matter how you choose to spin it.

Get this:

The democrats will NEVER get the race based votes they need to dominate future elections on the basis of ethnicity.

The republicans WILL lose the cheap labor force and consumers they so desperately love to exploit.

Don’t believe me? Just watch.

I’m Warden, the Notorious Mexican Flag Burner.

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